Inside the White House Crypto Report with Treasury Digital Assets Lead Tyler Williams

Ari Redbord (00:49):

I am Ari Redbord and this is TRM Talks. I’m Global Head of policy at TRM Labs. At TRM, we provide blockchain intelligence software to support law enforcement investigations and to help financial institutions and cryptocurrency businesses mitigate financial crime risk within the emerging digital asset economy. Prior to joining TRM spent 15 years in the US federal government, first as a prosecutor at the Department of Justice, and then as a Treasury Department official where I worked to safeguard the financial system against terrorist financiers, weapons of mass destruction, proliferators, drug kingpins, and other rogue actors. On TRM Talks, I sit down with business leaders, policymakers, investigators, and friends from across the crypto ecosystem who are working to build a safer financial system.

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On today’s TRM Talks, we are live from the cash room at the US Treasury Department. Last week, the White House dropped its digital asset report and today I sit down with one of the primary authors, Tyler Williams, counselor to the Treasury Secretary for digital assets.

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And now I sit down with Tyler Williams. Today I am joined by friend and counselor to the US Treasury Secretary for Digital Assets, Tyler Williams. Tyler, this is so cool. Thank you so much for joining me today.

Tyler Williams (03:50):

Thanks for having me, Ari. It’s a pleasure to be with you.

Ari Redbord (03:52):

We have not done many TRM Talks in person, but when you offered the opportunity to be in this space in the cash room, I was like, absolutely. We are doing this in person. Could you kick us off by just talking a little bit about this room that we’re in?

Tyler Williams (04:05):

Well, we’re in the cash room in the US Treasury Department and it is quite historic place physically many important events here have happened over the years. I think historically what’s interesting about us talking about digital assets today and being in the cash room doing it is a couple hundred years ago, this was actually a commercial bank that was supplying coins and currency to local other commercial banks and it was sort of a banker’s bank, if you will, and that kicked off in I think 1869 and also it held President Grant’s inauguration, the reception, the party was physically here, so it has a lot of history in this room.

Ari Redbord (04:41):

It’s so cool. We have done a few TRM Talks with former Treasury officials and this room has come up in those conversations like I had this meeting here or this Treasury secretary was sworn in this room, but we’ve never been in it before. So thank you so much. This is just absolutely awesome.

Tyler Williams (04:54):

Yeah, it is great. And we will get into this a little bit, but a lot of the round tables and the discussions that we did to sort of inform our thought process on the big report that we released last week, we physically did here as well. So to your audience, they’ll see a familiar setting.

Ari Redbord (05:09):

I love it. That’s amazing. We are here today to talk about the 180 day report that the White House put out last week. You were one of the primary authors of that report. I have a copy right here.

Tyler Williams (05:19):

It looks good, doesn’t it?

Ari Redbord (05:20):

It really does look great. Before we dig into that, you and I spent some time at Treasury together in the prior Trump administration. You were in the private sector working on digital assets and other issues. You’re back at Treasury. Would you just talk a little bit about your journey to this moment, which I feel like in some sense this really culminates in this report.

Tyler Williams (05:38):

Sure, absolutely. Well, yeah, I’ve been working in policy and financial services policy for quite some time and prior to working with you last time and Trump one at Treasury, I worked on Capitol Hill for quite some time, almost eight years in house in the Senate, exclusively focused on financial services policy matters. It wasn’t dedicated to digital asset, but it’s interesting to see sort of the life cycle of how policy has sort of matured in Washington relative to the issues. And I would say if you look back in 2016, 2017, there wasn’t that much activity in digital asset policy in Washington. And I think that has really accelerated through some fits and starts over the years. And even if you think back three or four years ago where we were debating in Washington policy circles of advancing legislation on stablecoins, that seems to be a long time ago.

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Now that we have the GENIUS legislation and enacted, we have this comprehensive report that has been published and seems like there’s a lot of momentum in Congress to advance market structure legislation. So I kind of think about the digital asset policy ecosystem as sort of a three legged stool. We have stablecoins, we have market structure, and then we have this report that is all of the different issues across the ecosystem and digital assets that we’ve put on paper. And it’s sort of a roadmap of what we want to accomplish. And there’s hundreds of recommendations in there that span tax policy, payments policy, banking policy, illicit finance, market structures, sort of the watershed of issues.

Ari Redbord (07:10):

What’s really extraordinary is, I mean literally just, and this goes to your point four or five years ago, we were talking about a few of the issues in here, and this is an over 160 page report. We mentioned TFI, the Office for Terrorism and Financial Intelligence where I worked, there are a couple issues. Fin Send had put out some guidance Libra had launched and there was a lot of conversation around that. But now that we could have issues around market structure, taxation, stablecoins, illicit finance, it’s amazing how mature this conversation has gotten since the last time you were in government.

Tyler Williams (07:38):

Yeah, absolutely. Well, the industry’s evolved quite a bit too. So as the industry’s evolved, so has the government’s thinking and I think one thing that should, maybe it’s not surprising to your audience, but what was really comforting to me coming back into the government to work on these issues exclusively is the knowledge that the career staff have. And not only this department, but across the government on the policy issues in digital assets, it’s quite voluminous. So I think there’s been a lot of interest in the policy over the years and I think there’s now a lot of excitement to actually be working and tackling the issues. It’s just an incredible enrollment to be

Ari Redbord (08:11):

Doing this type of work. It’s fun and this absolutely fun. And just what strikes me here is just how many different issues there are that you address here. Digging into the report, obviously you were one of the primary authors, Treasury took a leading role along with other agencies. Would you just talk about the process, right? Sure. The executive order drops says, all right, Tyler, you’re going to have a lot of work to do over the next few months off to the races. What happens

Tyler Williams (08:35):

Next? Well, so the working group that was established in President Trump’s executive order on January 23rd, it really set up an integrated process to deliver on this report and other policy items. So the working group established David Sachs, he’s the AI in crypto are he’s the chair of the president’s working group on digital assets, and then Behe serves as the executive director of the working group. But in the working group you can see that there’s the Treasury Secretary Commerce, DOJ, SEC, CFTC, OSTP, National Security. There’s a long laundry list of really important components of the government’s policy apparatus that are involved in the working group. And Treasury is the chief economic spokesperson for the us. We’re a finance ministry. We collect taxes. There’s a lot of things that happen at the Treasury and if you think about Treasury as a building in the building, we have three sort of core components that make up the departmental offices at main Treasury.

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We have domestic finance. Domestic finance really works with our domestic partners on US domestic policy issues, whether it’s banking, whether it’s capital markets and securities, they serve as the debt management function of our office and the fiscal agent as well. So they sell our debt to the rest of the world. It’s a pretty important function of the US economy. The international affairs is, I would colloquially refer to it as the finance ministry component of the Treasury building. It does the diplomatic engagement with other foreign counterparts. It serves as the external lead when engaging in the standard setting bodies and other international forum. And then we have the terrorism and financial intelligence vertical, which houses FinCEN as the bureau within that they do all of the MSB money services and business registration, and then they also administer OFAC. So there’s really a broad array of policy issues that this building handles. And what’s interesting about my job in particular is when I came in, I sort of serve as a counselor to the secretary, but I work across all three of those sort of verticals and then obviously some of the other bureaus that are within Treasury, like the IRS as well.

Ari Redbord (10:45):

Which is really critical because, I mean this report is a great example of it, but we’ve all known for years crypto touches everything right from domestic finance to counter-terrorism to all these sorts of issues that Treasury uniquely deals with as opposed to other financial regulators, which have I think maybe slightly more narrow mission sets.

Tyler Williams (11:02):

Absolutely. I think that’s totally fair. After the executive order came out, what Bo and David did that was particularly helpful is they set up an interagency process where we had, I think we had twice a week meetings dating back to the end of January, early February. We had twice a week meetings. We sketched out an outline of what we thought would be sort of like the bones of how to write the report, and we thought about the core issues that we wanted to speak about, and we did that from sort of two different lenses. One lens was what are the problems that we’re trying to solve for and how do we give certainty to the industry in the US such that they’re not looking for other jurisdictions around the world that are providing them that certainty? So how do we win by building a durable framework in the us?

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And then what the executive order asked us to do is contemplate both legislative and regulatory recommendations. And so you’ll see in the report we really lay out here are the near term things that we can do from a sole regulatory perspective, and then here are the things that we need Congress to act on. And we’ve obviously seen Congress racing ahead to act, which is quite good. It makes our job interesting because there’s this dynamic of what do we say and how do we push things over the goal line versus what do we need to say that is going to be instructive to how they need to think about something or how we want them to think about how we want legislators to think about the issues. That’s really

Ari Redbord (12:30):

In part so extraordinary about this. You watching the last six months in the US and you have the writing of this report happening mostly behind the scenes and then you have all the movement in Congress on Capitol Hill that’s very much in the public domain putting out discussion drafts and other information holding press conferences, and you’re watching legislation developed and then ultimately pass when it comes to the GENIUS Act while you’re drafting this report, did this change the way you were thinking about the report at all?

Tyler Williams (12:56):

I think it certainly changed the way that we wrote about it, changed the way the words in the page. I think that’s fair to say. And I think the other thing that was going on during the whole process is we did meetings with over a thousand different participants from a working group perspective. And I think that was really instructive to the concerns or considerations that they have that were very much sort of in a principle relationship. So it’s one thing for a company or a think tank or a group of academics to advocate to congress, it’s a different thing for them to be interacting with their regulator and saying, well, here’s the actual pain point that we have with you. And I think that’s helpful because we want to have transparent government and especially in policymaking, you need that so you can address acute pain points and you can figure out issues.

Ari Redbord (13:47):

One hallmark I think of the administration over the last few months, and certainly it sounds like in the writing of this report, is that openness, is that dialogue with industry. You mentioned a series of round tables, the SEC task force is now famously meeting with everyone from a process perspective. Talk a little bit about the way you were engaging with industry.

Tyler Williams (14:03):

I think it was a two-way street. So we took every meeting, and that’s just rule number one of government. I think you just take meetings and talk to people here about issues. So I think when people saw that there was this apparatus that existed at the working group level with Bow and David, there was a natural vector for them to go communicate. And then when I came into Treasury, there was another sort of entry point for conversations to happen. When we got a little farther in the process in terms of writing the report, we identified areas that we needed to sort of backfill our thinking on, and we did round tables on banking and novel entrance or new entrants in the banking system to learn more about the pain points there. And then we also did round tables on decentralized and particularly defi from a cybersecurity perspective, from an illicit finance perspective and what we needed to think to do to counter illicit finance. And then we did it on stablecoins as well. And we did one unstablecoins because we saw sort of the evolution of the legislation and Congress and nothing certain on Capitol Hill, but it looked like there was critical mass to getting to a outcome on the legislation. So we really wanted to do that sort of backfill our thinking of how to stablecoins and defi fit together and how do we need to think about it a little bit more critically from a counter enlisted finance level.

Ari Redbord (15:28):

Let’s just stay there. I mean there’s so many interesting issues, right to pull apart. It’s that sort of convergence of defi stablecoins and the illicit finance piece. Would you talk a little bit about the parts of the report that you see as really handling that or thinking about

Tyler Williams (15:39):

It? Yeah, yeah. I mean part of the GENIUS legislation has sort of an ecosystem monitoring element for the issuers. And one of the core issues I think that has confounded the industry is how far does that go along the life cycle of whatever token or product or stablecoin, whatever it is. And I think where we need Congress to give some support is creating that clear delineation within Defi. And I think that’s important because everyone understands, or most people in the digital asset policy making community understand that what control means within the decentralized finance community is a challenging question. And where you can have Congress backfilling and really creating clarity, it helps the regulators, it helps the implementers of the BSA, and it helps the financial institution construct to be able to do sound safe enforcement and do good supervision of regulated entities. And if you think about where GENIUS plays into that, where the stablecoin legislation plays into them, what we’re really talking about is putting US dollars that are high quality liquid assets.

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If you look at the asset mix of the GENIUS legislation, it’s mostly made up of really short dated treasuries, and when you put those treasuries and you mitten a stablecoin and you put it onto a permissionless blockchain, you have real speed at the movement of money. And it can create efficiencies in lots of different areas. But one of the challenges is that we need to think about when we are implementing GENIUS, we’re going to go through this process. We really need to think about what that means from an A ML level and what that means from seeing the flow of Stablecoin movement.

Ari Redbord (17:27):

It’s terrific. And the conversations I’ve had on the hill around GENIUS and the conversations leading up to this report, there was this unique understanding I feel like of there are stablecoin issuers have capabilities in the AML space, the capability for ecosystem monitoring, burn and reissue, and it’s interesting to see a lot of that really fleshed out in a way that I’ve never seen it fleshed out in this report. Yeah, we’re only going to scratch the surface of this report today. I really, really encourage people to read it. This is probably the most comprehensive 20 pages on illicit finance that have ever been written in crypto. It really hits sort of all the areas. One thing I talk about all the time is how do you as a regulator thread that needle between allowing lawful users the degree of privacy that they need in an open financial system and yet stop illicit actors from taking advantage of transformative technology. There seems to be this push and pull in the report of, Hey, this is what we need to do. We can’t stifle innovation, but we have to stop bad actors. And that seems to be ultimately where you’re looking to study more, where you’re looking to understand a lot of these issues more.

Tyler Williams (18:27):

There are small instances in which bad actors use digital assets for illicit purposes, and we obviously want to go after and make sure that we’re interdicting that as much as possible. I think there’s many ways that you can sort of accomplish that. One is better public-private partnerships like working with industries so that we have better analytics capabilities working with industries, so we get threat identifiers on a faster baseline so that law enforcement and our regulators know when something is sort of like a red flag. And the other macro one is if you build a well-regulated system in the US and you create legal certainty, onshoring that activity into the US is a great way of protecting the health and the viability of the industry, not only in the US but external as well. And I think one of the interesting pieces of the GENIUS legislation is it creates an environment to enter into reciprocal arrangements. And we haven’t gotten into this detailed analysis yet, but one of the components of it is evaluating other jurisdictions regulatory regimes and other jurisdictions laws. And if you believe what I believe, which we have the best, most robust framework and legal requirements in the us, if you believe that, then I think you should expect us to hold other foreign jurisdictions to a higher standard.

Ari Redbord (20:00):

Fantastic. We were talking a couple minutes right before we jumped on camera about sort of the thing I just asked you. What are you most proud of from the report? And you mentioned specifically the way you’re working to protect defi and developers. Would you just talk a little bit about that?

Tyler Williams (20:12):

Yeah, I mean, honestly, we sort of borrowed a lot from what we’ve seen Congress work on this and sort of work backwards from there of what are the principles that we’re talking about and how does it fit within the BSAML regime. And what I’m talking about is the blockchain regulatory certainty act that has bipartisan support in the house and has been inserted in the Clarity bill. What it really sort of gets to is sort the level of control that a developer has over deploying code. And I think that is important because if we create more certainty around what that means in actual prescriptive legal definitions in the US code, there isn’t this sort of massive open question for the development community of if I’m building X project or I’m building X front end, what are my responsibilities? What are my obligations and is there going to be this sort of is hanging over me with regard to someone else’s potential mal use of the technology that they’re building? And I think that we get close to it and there’s a long section in there about sort of control

Ari Redbord (21:18):

And honestly, the definitions even upfront and the description of defi is also one of the best I’ve seen, which obviously the industry engagement there is very, very clear.

Tyler Williams (21:27):

And it’s funny, we talked about the settings in this room. One of the roundtables that we did actually on this very issue was in this room and it was quite an exercise debate as we saw.

Ari Redbord (21:40):

But also just really important that that was the starting point here. It was like, Hey, we want to define this, we want to understand it because I think particularly when you talk about decentralized finance, there’s a lot of different views of what it actually is and the level of decentralization. It’s clear that this report really addresses this. Yes, that’s fantastic. There was one thing I wanted to come back to real quick. You were talking about sort of the AML provisions here that are providing some clarity to services to whether it’s exchanges, VAPS, essentially one is this hold rule. Would you just talk a little bit about that?

Tyler Williams (22:06):

Yeah, again, it was an idea that sort of was discussed quite significantly. In one of our round tables that we did on decentralized finance, we did one that was explicitly focused on stablecoins and many of the participants, and particularly sort of from an issuer level when they get lawful orders from law enforcement and it says, okay, we’ve identified X address or X token and we know specifically that it is touched a sanctioned person or a sanctioned address, what they’re talking about really is providing some flexibility in terms of the ability to hold the transaction in the lifecycle so that they can do some better identification and do some analysis on the address, the wallets and all of the ecosystem part of that and giving flexibility for the issuers to really understand what their requirements are. And I think it’s something that is open for debate, but if you thread the actual language properly, it can provide some better hygiene in the sector by providing flexibility sort of hold the flow of funds.

Ari Redbord (23:15):

Yeah, no, it felt really important to me and dovetailed, and I think I even was calling it a safe harbor provision. It’s different than the safe harbor provisions in other places around market structure, but it feels very consistent with that. It’s like, Hey, let’s give a little bit more leeway, at least right now for builders for services to allow them to make a mistake here or there, but to innovate.

Tyler Williams (23:34):

Yes, and I think if you juxtapose it versus traditional finance, there are embedded sort of clearing and settlement timelines within traditional finance where the horizon of sending money from a bank in the US to a bank and some other jurisdiction, it’s just longer in the transposition of stablecoins, the time horizon is much more compressed. So providing a little bit of flexibility in the flow can really help where there are edge cases.

Ari Redbord (24:05):

Fantastic. One area that is hot right now and a lot of discussion on Capitol Hill is taxation. There’s an entire section dedicated to tax. I’m not a tax lawyer. I don’t even fake it until I make it on that issue. I send people elsewhere. But I do think it’s become more and more of an important issue on Capitol Hill and here at Treasury as the tax collector. Would you just talk a little bit about that section?

Tyler Williams (24:24):

Well, I can’t thank the office of tax policy here enough. They were super helpful. What I’ve learned most acutely in tax policy world is that every single word matters very specifically because it all has references to different revenue rulings and different cases that have happened in tax land. So it’s quite challenging, but really important work. I think there’s been a continued building of momentum in Congress to address some of the acute issues in the digital asset tax world, whether it’s the wash sale rules, whether or not it’s the timing, the disposition of income. One of the other major issues that I would flag is there are tax considerations for actually building a company and deploying a project in the us we have seen many of the big Treasury companies and we’ve seen many of the big projects, the labs really domesticate in other jurisdictions because of corporate infrastructure and tax considerations. One of the visions for the president’s January 23rd executive order was what do we need to fix to onshore the innovation? And those are big issues that we need to fix to onshore innovation. We have to create a parallel framework from a tax level for them to want to domicile in the us.

Ari Redbord (25:41):

It’s Teally well said, and it’s interesting, I’ve had some tax lawyers and IRS officials on TRM Talks and I think those who explain it in that way, that tax law is really policy. It’s how can we incentivize businesses, individuals to build in the US in this case. And that’s why it’s really, really critical.

Tyler Williams (25:56):

The whole report is about what we need to do to fix the US policy framework and what we need to do to incentivize builders and developers and projects and companies to be in the us If you want to collect revenue and you want to create incentives for them building in the us, you have to fix tax issues because it’s part of the decision making process that any founding team and any development team would go through of where they want to be.

Ari Redbord (26:21):

I’m going to finish off with an AML question, and I think there’s a lot of focus in those 20 pages on the importance of public-private partnerships. And I know that’s always sort of the easy recommendation, right? Oh, do more public-private partnerships, but crypto actually enables us to do it better. We can move faster for interdiction, we can marry crypto exchanges and other vast stablecoin issuers with FBI and Secret Service and Homeland Security to really have real time information sharing. And I feel like that’s what this report is getting at is the promise of that to be able to stop bad actors. What was your take on that part of this?

Tyler Williams (26:55):

Absolutely. I think it’s pretty critical. And from having worked at Treasury, we do these things called tabletop exercises and Hamilton Project and those types of joint public private sector engagements. And those are all really instructive to how the building thinks about policy issues, but they also create sort of a venue for information sharing. And maybe if you build the right environment, you can ultimately get to sort of critical issues that we haven’t really addressed that we do discuss in the port. But one, the area I’m thinking of is digital ID and privacy and reliance. When you go do AML checks and requirements and identification checks with a financial institution like portability of that to other vehicles and other institutions, so you don’t have to redo the same identity verification AML checks with another regulated intermediary, that gets really important because you’re breaking down another threat vector for a human. And I think all of these public private partnerships if built right, can really

Ari Redbord (27:56):

Work. Fantastic. Alright, I’m going to get you out with this one. And you and I have talked a little privately, but just how cool this job is, particularly in this moment where you’re literally shaping law, you’re shaping policy. When I talk to lawyers in this space, there’s this sense of like, wow, there’s never green space for legal arguments. It’s all already been litigated here. It truly is, right? You’re building the law, you’re building the policy from the ground up. You teach law students. Talk to me a little bit about how you think of this moment from the role that you have and what you’re really building for future generations.

Tyler Williams (28:28):

Well, it’s a loaded question, complicated answer. The job is really fun. It’s fun to work with dedicated smart people who want to solve challenging issues. It’s even more fun and sort of more exciting to see how much sort of interest there is across the regulatory infrastructure in the US on these issues. And I think it’s critical that we try to solve some of the problems. Best part about the job, you get to talk to a million different people and learn from really smart builders and developers. I think that’s a lot of fun and get to work with Congress on trying to advance legislation. So I don’t know, I’m having a blast. Is it exhausting in times? Absolutely. But it’s ton of fun. It is evident

Ari Redbord (29:10):

That you’re having fun and are exhausted some of the time. Tyler, thank you so much for joining TRM Talks. What I would say to folks, I get asked probably one question more than any other, and that’s what should I read to get up to speed on crypto regulation on policy? Read this report. It’s 160 plus pages, but it is packed with every area to get you up to speed. So thank you for putting this out, even just from that perspective.

Tyler Williams (29:32):

Yeah, I’m biased, but I think it’s the most comprehensive report that any government has put out on digital asset policy.

Ari Redbord (29:44):

This was such a cool conversation on so many levels. Let me just even start with the room that we’re in right now. Being in the cash room, a place I spent some time during my two years of Treasury is just so special. And I love the way Tyler talked about, Hey, look, this is the Banker’s Bank where cash and coins were stored at the US Treasury Department, and now we’re talking about digital assets, funds that move at the speed of the internet. And what a cool way to kick off this conversation. And then really just the report and to have this opportunity to sit down with the primary author of one of the most important reports written by any government on digital assets. And I think what I was really struck by in the conversation and really in the report is just the depth in each of these sections, whether it’s on market structure, whether it’s on taxation, and certainly AML, which is our focus 20 pages dedicated to illicit finance. And he really walked through those different sections, the hold provision, talking about how public-private partnerships are absolutely key in the age of blockchain technology, where you can actually trace and track funds funding for tools and training. So really just a conversation in so many different areas in a really, really important report. 

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Ari Redbord (31:35):

Now let’s get back to building. 

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